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with Joshua Kennon

One on One: Maria Bartiromo
Her new book is a runaway success.  Now meet the one of the most influential women in finance

Maria Bartiromo
One on one

Over the past few years, Maria Bartiromo has emerged as one of the most influential and trusted journalists in the world.  She's made a reputation asking the tough questions to CEOs, institutional investors, and business leaders alike.  Esteemed as a celebrity and respected for her journalistic integrity, Maria has emerged as the archetype of fair and unbiased reporting.  In this four-part interview, she discusses her new book "Use the News", her career, and the impact of oil prices on the economy.

PROFILE



Name: Maria Bartiromo
Occupation: Financial Journalist, CNBC
Location: New York, NY
Education: NYU


There is a fundamental conflict of interest on the part of analysts who recommend stocks of the companies that their firms to business with... From an investor's standpoint, the best you can do is be aware of it.

  - Maria Bartiromo
 

The Writing Process, Frequent Trading, News vs. Noise, Investment Strategies

JK: First, let me say the book was excellent.  What gave you the concept?  I understand that you had been working on ideas for a manuscript for several years; why “Use the News”?

Bartiromo:  The concept for the book came from my realizing that there’s been an explosion of financial information and we are in information overload.  Often I would go back to my computer and there would be so many items in my in-box that I would be unable to send an e-mail until I deleted them.  While it’s wonderful that investors have access to all the data now available to them, it has become a full-time job to sift through it and separate out the valuable news from the useless noise.  So I set out to show people how I deal with the explosion of financial information and how other investors could do the same.



JK: What was the process of writing like for you?  You mentioned in your acknowledgement that you turned the living room into an office, so we can assume it was a fairly consuming project. 

Bartiromo: I had tried to write a book several years earlier and realized I could not do it because I was too busy during the day and when I came home at night I was too tired.  Working together with Catherine Fredman made it doable and I enjoyed the process immensely. Catherine and I complemented one another perfectly because she came to the project without the inside knowledge that I was used to, and she made sure the book applied as much to non-experts and individual investors as to professionals.   We worked together almost every weekend for nine months, and a lot of weeknights, too, but it was tremendously exciting to see the book growing and taking shape.

 

JK: One of the main concepts you discuss frequently is “News vs. Noise”.  What is the difference between the two?

Bartiromo:  News is important information that may influence your investments. Noise is talk or buzz or some headline that prevents you from seeing a story clearly.  News is useful.  Noise is a distraction.  Calling what’s noise and news after the fact is easy.  The hard part is sifting through the information when it’s in front of you and committing to a few sources, that is, gearing up your energy in one place and not wasting your energy in another.  Deciding which sources to invest your energy in and explaining how best to use them is what this book is all about.

 

JK: Do you think people trade too frequently?  If so, is it a product of too much noise?

Bartiromo:  Yes and yes.  We have become a society that trades frequently. Investors often act on every tick in the market without good reason. And that has a major downside, which is another reason for this book. Maybe we don’t need to know every upgrade and downgrade of a stock.  Although I think the value of venues like CNBC is that they give investors an opportunity to reevaluate the situation minute by minute, maybe we don’t need to follow the market so closely. I think the information explosion has created noise to the extent that people get trigger-happy, which can be detrimental.
     One of the most important questions I throw out in the book is:  Has the story  of your stock changed?  Has the reason you bought this stock in the first place gone away?  Having the opportunity to follow the market frequently gives you the opportunity to see if you need to reevaluate your portfolio.  But reevaluating your portfolio shouldn’t trigger a sell signal so frequently.  That’s why it’s important to keep things in perspective, so that you avoid a knee-jerk reaction or a rash decision. 

 

JK: Just how much impact does the individual investor have on the market?  Do they possess anywhere near the clout of the institutional investor?

Bartiromo:  Individual investors have become far more powerful than anyone gives them credit for.  Today, 85 million Americans invest in stocks.  Collectively, that kind of buying and selling power can move markets. Having said that, the institutional investor remains the bigger influence on individual trades simply because the institutional investor has more money to support the order and that will have more of an impact on the stock.  The average trade of an individual is in the thousands of shares, whereas the institutional trade can be in the millions of shares.  Clearly, the bigger the order, the bigger the move in the stock. 

 

JK: How should the investment strategy of a recent college graduate differ from someone, say, who is five years away from retirement?

Bartiromo: I’m not a money manager, but I can tell you what the conventional wisdom is. The younger you are, the more risk you can take on. If you’re just out of college, you can have a lot more exposure to stocks than what most financial planners recommend to someone close to retirement, the simple reason being you have a much longer-term horizon until when you need that money. 

 

Using the Internet to Invest, Wall Street's Conflict of Interest, the Shortcomings of Professional Money Managers & Energy Prices and the Economy

JK: An important part of any investment strategy is research - you mentioned that you use the Internet as a tool – how so, and what are a few of your favorite research sites?  Besides your husband’s Individualinvestor.com ;-)

THE LONG HAUL

... But that's why an individual can have a leg up on a professional, because the professional is trying to gauge himself against the S&P 500 every quarter whereas the individual has the freedom to take the long view.

  - Maria Bartiromo

Bartiromo:  I’m frequently on the Internet, digging up information about companies and checking the activities of particular stocks and industry sectors.  The amount of data and analysis available for free is a true example of how the information explosion has leveled the playing field for individual investors.  That said, one of my favorite sites is, as yet, not free.  Bridge Information Systems (www.bridge.com) gives me access to real-time exchange data, including equities and commodities; fundamental stock data, including tabular information and earnings estimates; technical charting for all stocks; and incredible amount of news, ranging from daily market reviews for G7 countries to press releases for individual companies.  You can, however, replicate many of their services for nothing.  It's a combination of the more than 30 research sites I mention in the book’s appendix.  

 

JK: In recent Congressional hearings, Wall Street analysts have essentially been accused of failing to warn investors to sell their equities in order to attract the lucrative investment banking business of large corporations.  Is this a widespread problem?  What is the solution?

Bartiromo: There is a fundamental conflict of interest on the part of analysts who recommend stocks of the companies that their firms do business with.  Until we have a change in the way Wall Street works, this will continue to be an issue. From an investor’s standpoint, the best you can do is be aware of it.

As a reporter, I approach every situation knowing that everyone has his or her own agenda.  It’s not a bad thing; it’s just a fact. Investors need to recognize that not every analyst is dishonest but there are potential conflict-of-interest issues to be aware of.  Rather than basing your investment decisions entirely on an analyst’s recommendation, you should take analysts’ recommendations as just one piece of the puzzle.  It’s also worth taking note of the research from analysts’ firms that do not do investment banking.  In the book, we discuss several of those firms, including Wit Soundview, Sanford Bernstein and others. 

 

JK: Why is it that professional money managers constantly under-perform the Dow Jones Industrial Average or the S&P 500, which is essentially unmanaged?  Isn’t this one of the biggest arguments against the “smart” money?

Bartiromo:  Yes, it is.  One of the reasons is that money managers are gauged on a quarterly basis, so every three months their record is compared to the S&P Index. And, frankly, until the last couple of years, the market has been on a bull run and the major indexes have taken off, so individual money managers who did not mimic the S&P and the Dow have fallen short.  But that’s why an individual can have a leg up on a professional, because the professional is trying to gauge himself against the S&P 500 every quarter whereas the individual has the freedom to take the long view.

 

JK: What is the relationship between oil prices and the economy as a whole?

Bartiromo:  One of the key points about oil and energy prices is the impact that this group has on the entire market.  The higher the price of oil, the more a negative factor it can be not just on the obvious groups such as automotive, airlines, transportation and utilities, but on almost all industries.  Extrapolating from there, higher oil prices mean that any industry that uses energy has to pay more for it.  They often pass those price hikes on to their customers, who pass them on to the consumer, which adversely affects the economy.  On a smaller and more individual sense, if you or me go to the gas station to fill up our car and it costs us much more than we expected, it will zap our discretionary income. We won’t have the extra money to buy that washing machine or new winter coat-all big ticket items that are important to economic growth. So if it costs more for all of us, there is a risk that consumers overall will stop spending on other things similar to corporations also slowing down spending, so oil is a very important component of economic growth.  

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The Personal Maria: Her Career & Influences 

FACT

Maria's favorite designers are Armani and Gucci

  - Maria Bartiromo

 

JK: If you could be doing anything else, what would it be and why?  I believe you interviewed for the spot opposite Regis in his morning talk show.  Would you eventually like to go that route?

Bartiromo:  When I was in school, the gamut of careers that I thought I would do included being a nurse, an interior decorator, and a pharmacist.  When I was younger, I also wanted to be a back-up singer. The truth is, when I finally stumbled on broadcast journalism in business news, I realized I had found my true love and so, I must admit, I’m having the time of my life. 

 

JK: Do you mind the “Money Honey” label?

Bartiromo:  Initially, I did feel that it took away from my credentials.  But the truth is, I don’t mind at all.  In fact, I’m flattered just to have gotten recognized.  Also, I must admit, no one calls me that except the tabloid newspapers, and if that’s the way you’d like to refer to me, I’m happy to have gotten noticed.  I don’t take myself or that name too seriously. 

 

JK: Rumor is, you are into fashion.  Who’s your favorite designer?

Bartiromo:    I love Armani and Gucci.  My style usually consists of clothes with simple and clean lines, accessorized with a pearl necklace. 

 

JK: Do you get tired of the “What’s Warren Buffett doing?” questions?

Bartiromo:  Not really. He has been a wonderful investor and he’s one of those people that the world likes to emulate.  I wish him the best. 

 

JK: You mention in the book that you only own several mutual funds that you purchased over ten years ago, before you began your current job.  Have they performed well :-)

Bartiromo:  They have performed in step with the market. 

 

 

JK: If you were an average investor, sitting at home, what would your investment strategy be?  Momentum?  Value?

Bartiromo:  I would mix it up between value and growth.  I would look for companies that generate above-average revenue and earnings, and I would make sure that I understand the business, especially the product that is driving growth.  Lastly,  I would take the long-term view, and when I say long-term, I mean anywhere from three to five to ten years and beyond.  In other words, don’t be scared out of the market over a short-term blip.

 

JK: What do you think are the one or two essentials that every new investor needs to know?

BartiromoThe nuts and bolts of a company’s fundamentals are earnings and revenues.  Revenues are how a company makes money and earnings are what’s left after it spends it.  You can’t get more fundamental than that.  Learn to read a company’s financial statements—I explain the news and noise of balance sheets, cash flow statements and income statement—and you’ll know have a good picture of where the company’s money is coming from, where it is going and, most important, how much money the company owes.

 

JK: Who is the one person that has made the biggest impact on your professional life?

Bartiromo:  A couple of people.  My husband is very smart about business information, so he’s always a wonderful sounding board for my ideas.  My two biggest mentors have been Jack Welch of General Electric and Dick Grasso of the New York Stock Exchange.  Both men have exhibited a strong, successful yet humble way about them. When a person becomes successful and yet never forgets who they are or where they come from to me is a great attribute, and I admire that greatly in an executive.  Probably the greatest influence on me has been my mother.  She and I are very close and I’ve watched her work very hard throughout my life and it has molded my character. 

 

JK: You seem to love your job… have you always known you would be involved in finance?

Bartiromo:  No, I fell into it.  I had studied economics and journalism at NYU and expected to do something business-related, but then I got an internship at CNN in the financial broadcasting division and realized that I loved it. It was there where I began narrowing my focus to the markets and began putting together a great network of sources that I began calling on regularly. 

 

JK: Did people take you seriously when you first started out?  I’m interested in how you worked your way up through CNN.  You were actually upset initially that you were interning there, correct?

Bartiromo:  I was upset because CNN wasn’t one of the major networks at the time.  Remember, this was before the Gulf War, which really put CNN on the map, and it was a time when cable television was still very small.  I was completely wrong in that assessment, because CNN gave me an opportunity to do so much and learn so much. 

When I first started out at the New York Stock Exchange, there were plenty of people who didn’t take me seriously.  The mentality of being in a boys’ club where the information should only be shared among members and not with the individual was very strong.  In a situation like that, I can only recommend making sure that you do your homework, you know your stuff—that’s most important—and that you stand firm and be determined, as I try to be.  Being a woman on Wall Street has had its challenges in that regard. 

 

Reader Questions

A REPORTER'S JOB

As a reporter, I approach every situation knowing that everyone has his or her own agenda...

  - Maria Bartiromo

 Question One:

People are sensitive about their money, so the CNBC audience has a lot of emotion invested in the programming.  Is this why you seem to be scrutinized, inspected, worshiped, and characterized more than most other on-air personalities?

-Graham Thorne

Bartiromo:  I’m not sure what the reason is.  At CNBC, I always stick to business.  You don’t hear me joking around on the air, you don’t hear me making light of people’s money.  I don’t appreciate it in other people, and I believe that investors have appreciated that about me.  I also believe I’m one of the most connected financial journalists out there today and I try to open up my Rolodex and share information that was not readily accessible before.

 

Question Two:

What should a person do who bought all of their tech stocks at a high valuation and has very little capital left to invest at these lower prices?  Is our best hope to wait it out over the long run or sell so much at a time to recoup what we can as capital losses on our income taxes?

Very Truly,
Sam Pusateri

Bartiromo: I’m a reporter.  I don’t claim to be a stock picker or a money manager. I want to be very clear on that. Having said that, I would be re-evaluating what my holdings are.  Ask yourself the questions I go through in the book:  Has the story changed?  Is the reason that you bought that stock in the first place still there?  Often people buy stocks because of a product line or because of earnings growth or maybe they like the management team.  You need to ask yourself if the reason you bought that stock is still there.  If it is, I would probably wait it out.  If not, you could average down or sell it. 

 

Question Three:

Are stocks that pay dividends out of favor?  If so, why?  Also, if I want to invest in dividend paying stocks, how do I find them.  Are there other measures to determine what are “good” investments?
Bonnie

Bartiromo:  Dividend paying companies are not out of favor.  Look at tobacco, real estate investment trusts and utilities.  All three have done very well in a tough environment for the rest of the market.   In any case, dividends alone are not the best measure of whether a company is a good investment.  As I point out in the book, you need to evaluate all of the company’s fundamentals to get a clearer picture of its financial future.

 

Question Four:

What are your top five stock picks for the next two quarters, and your outlook on Primedia stock? 
Jamie R., About, Inc.

Bartiromo:  I cannot  and do not pick stocks.  It’s not my job and it’s against my company policy.  However, as I’ve written in the book, I would look for companies that are growing earnings faster than the rest of the market, because in an environment where earnings are slowing down, it will likely be the companies that have above-average growth over the next several quarters and several years that will move higher. 

 

Question Five:

 If you could wear anything on-air what would it be? 
-Cynthia

Bartiromo:  I actually am very comfortable with what I wear on-air.  I love wearing chic-looking pantsuits that are simple yet professional, and comfortable, too.

 

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